trebligdivad 9 hours ago

Some of the combinations are a bit weird, This one has lots of stuff avoiding death....together with a set ensuring all the Apple brands have the correct capitalisation. Priorities hey!

https://github.com/BlueFalconHD/apple_generative_model_safet...

  • grues-dinner 9 hours ago

    Interesting that it didn't seem to include "unalive".

    Which as a phenomenon is so very telling that no one actually cares what people are really saying. Everyone, including the platforms knows what that means. It's all performative.

    • jdkoeck 7 minutes ago

      Which is good, right? I don’t think we want actual censorship.

    • qingcharles 9 hours ago

      It's totally performative. There's no way to stay ahead of the new language that people create.

      At what point do the new words become the actual words? Are there many instances of people using unalive IRL?

      • Rebelgecko 6 hours ago

        This is somewhat related to the concept of the "euphemism treadmill":

        the matter-of-fact term of today becomes the pejorative of tomorrow so a new term is invented to avoid the negative connotation of the original term. Then eventually the new term becomes a pejorative and the cycle continues.

      • Terr_ 7 hours ago

        > There's no way to stay ahead of the new language that people create.

        I'm imagining a new exploit: After someone says something totally innocent, people gang up in the comments to act like a terrible vicious slur has been said, and then the moderation system (with an LLM involved somewhere) "learns" that an arbitrary term is heinous eand indirectly bans any discussion of that topic.

        • grues-dinner 2 hours ago

          The first half of that already happened with the OK gesture: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-49837898.

          Though it would be fun to see what happens if an LLM if used to ban anything that tends to generate heated exchanges. It would presumably learn to ban racial terms, politics and politicians and words like "immigrant" (i.e. basically the list in this repo), but what else could it be persuaded to ban? Vim and Emacs? SystemD? Anything involving cyclists? Parenting advice?

        • SXX 2 hours ago

          It's not like this unique to LLMs either. By some little trolling on internet you easily can turn hand "OK gesture" into a hate symbol of white supermacy. And fools will fall for it.

          • overfeed 38 minutes ago

            ...and then the bigots will fall for it too, and start using it in earnest, completing the cycle.

        • Waterluvian 7 hours ago

          Hey I was pro-skub waaaay before all the anti-skub people switched sides.

          • thehappypm 5 hours ago

            Skub is a real slur tho so that one doesn’t work

            • sitharus 4 hours ago

              No it isn’t, it’s a reference to a Perry Bible Fellowship comic https://pbfcomics.com/comics/skub/

              (This one is sfw, not all of the comics are)

              Even urban dictionary doesn’t contain a definition for skub as a slur.

            • osn9363739 5 hours ago

              Isn't that a reference to a 10 or 20 year old web comic?

            • stirfish 3 hours ago

              Stop saying it! You're making it worse!

          • SV_BubbleTime 6 hours ago

            How dare you use that word. My parents died in the Eastasin Civil war so that I could live freely without you people calling us that.

        • tbrownaw 6 hours ago

          I'm pretty sure this can work human moderators rather than an LLM, too.

          • pyman 6 hours ago

            Most of the human moderators hired by OpenAI to train LLMs, many of them based in Africa and South America, were exposed to disturbing content and have been deeply affected by it.

            Karen Hao interviewed many of them in her latest bestselling book, which explores the human cost behind the OpenAI boom:

            https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/222725518-empire-of-ai

        • cyanydeez 7 hours ago

          you mean become 4chan?

      • fouronnes3 9 hours ago

        This question is sort of the same as asking why the universal translator wasn't able to translate the metaphor language of the Star Trek episode Darmok. Surely if the metaphor has become the first order meaning then there's no litteral meaning anymore.

        • qingcharles 9 hours ago

          I guess, so far, the people inventing the words have left the meaning clear with things like "un-alive" which is readable even to someone coming across it for the first time.

          Your point stands when we start replacing the banned words with things like "suicide" for "donkeyrhubarb" and then the walls really will fall.

          • userbinator 8 hours ago

            This form of obfuscation has actually already occurred over a century ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockney_rhyming_slang

            • t-3 7 hours ago

              Rhyming slang rhymes tho. The recipient can understand what's meant by de-obfuscating in-context. Random strings substituted for $proscribed_word don't work in the same way.

              • waterproof 7 hours ago

                In Cockney rhyming slang, the rhyming word (which would be easy to reverse engineer) is omitted. So if "stairs" is rhyme-paired with "apples and pears" and then people just use the word "apples" in place of "stairs". "Pears" is omitted in common use so you can't just reverse the rhyme.

                The example photo on Wikipedia includes the rhyming words but that's not how it would be used IRL.

          • marcus_holmes 5 hours ago

            I've heard "pr0n" used in actual real-world conversation, only slightly ironically.

        • tjwebbnorfolk 7 hours ago

          The only reason kids started using "unalive" is to get around Youtube filters that disallow the use of the word "kill"

      • apricot 7 hours ago

        > Are there many instances of people using unalive IRL

        As a parent of a teenager, I see them use "unalive" non-ironically as a synonym for "suicide" in all contexts, including IRL.

        • kulahan 5 hours ago

          Well that’s sad. They can’t even face the word?

          • kevinventullo 4 hours ago

            It’s not about whether they can face it. The younger generations are more in tune with mental health and topics like suicide than any previous generation. The etymology of the euphemism was about avoiding online censorship, while its “IRL” usage was merely absorbed through familiarity from the online usage.

            • mcny 4 hours ago

              But unalive self is suicide and unalive is just death, right? For example, You can unalive other people against their will...

            • labster 3 hours ago

              The damaged interpret internet censorship and route around it.

          • apricot 3 hours ago

            I think it's just the term they immediately associate with the idea. They see "unalive" more than "suicide" online, so it becomes their default word for it. The fact that it originates in automated censorship avoidance is irrelevant.

      • nicoburns 4 hours ago

        > Are there many instances of people using unalive IRL?

        In my experience yes. This is already commonplace. Mostly, but not exclusively, amongst the younger generation.

      • montagg 6 hours ago

        They become the “real words” later. This is the way all trust & safety works. It’s an evolution over time. Adding some friction does improve things, but some people will always try to get around the filters. Doesn’t mean it’s simply performative or one shouldn’t try.

      • joquarky 3 hours ago

        I feel like we can call our society mature when we no longer need safety alignment in AI.

        • scarface_74 3 hours ago

          You never tried some of the earlier pre-aligned chatbots. Some of the early ones would go off on racist, homophobic rants from the most innocent conversations without any explicit prompting. If you train on all the data on the internet, you have to have some type of alignment.

          • decremental 3 hours ago

            You say that as if it stands as truth on its own. We actually don't need to filter out how people actually talk and think. Otherwise you just end up with yet another enforcer against wrong-think. I wonder if you even think that deeply about it or if you're just wired at this point to conform.

      • derefr 7 hours ago

        > At what point do the new words become the actual words?

        Presumably, for this use-case, that would come at exactly the point where using “unalive” as a keyword in an image-generation prompt generates an image that Apple wouldn’t appreciate.

      • cheschire 8 hours ago

        If only we had a way to mass process the words people write to each other, derive context from those words, and then identify new slang designed to bypass filters…

      • BurningFrog 7 hours ago

        A specialized AI could do it as well as any human.

        The future will be AIs all the way down...

      • freeone3000 9 hours ago

        It depends on if you think that something is less real because it’s transmitted digitally.

        • qingcharles 9 hours ago

          No, I'm only thinking that we're not permitted in a lot of digital spaces to use the banned words (e.g. suicide), but IRL doesn't generally have those limits. Is there a point where we use the censored word so much that it spills over into the real world?

          • eastbound 7 hours ago

            People use “lol” IRL, as long as “IRL”, “aps” in French (misspelling of “pas”), but it’s just slang; “unalive” has potential to make it in the news where anchors don’t want to use curse words.

          • immibis 7 hours ago

            Is this not essentially the same effect as saying "lol" out loud?

    • Zak 8 hours ago

      I'm surprised there hasn't been a bigger backlash against platforms that apply censorship of that sort.

    • hulium 9 hours ago

      Seems more like it should stop the AI from e.g. summarizing news and emails about death, not for a chat filter.

      • scarface_74 3 hours ago

        For awhile, I couldn’t get ChatGPT to give me summaries of Breaking Bad and Better Cañl Saul episodes without tripping safety filters.

    • heavyset_go 4 hours ago

      Good, let them. Don't give them a reason to crack down on speech.

    • elliotto 7 hours ago

      Unalive and other self censors were adopted by young people because the tiktok algorithm would reprioritize videos that included specific words. Then it made its way into the culture. It has nothing to do with being performative

      • SOTGO 5 hours ago

        I think what they meant is that the platforms are being performative by attempting to crack down on those specific words. If saying "killed" is not allowed but "unalived" is permitted and the users all agree that they mean the same thing, then the ban on the word "killed" doesn't accomplish anything.

        • mcny 4 hours ago

          What does using the grape emoji when talking about sexual assault accomplish? I see videos, compassionate, kind people who make videos speaking to victims in a completely serious tone use this emoji.

          People talk about tiktok algorithm on tiktok. I don't even know...

    • cyanydeez 7 hours ago

      yo, these are businesses. It's not performative, its CYA.

      They care because of legal reasons, not moral or ethical.

      • lxgr 5 hours ago

        Does adding a trivial word filter even make any sense from a legal point of view, especially when this one seems to be filtering out words describing concepts that can be pretty easily paraphrased?

        A regex sounds like a bad solution for profanity, but like an even worse one to bolt onto a thing that's literally designed to be able to communicate like a human and could probably easily talk its way around guardrails if it were so inclined.

        • Wurdan 33 minutes ago

          I dunno if it meets your definition of legal, but "The EU Code of conduct on countering illegal hate speech online" seems to largely hinge around putting in effort to combat such things. The companies don't have to show that the measures are foolproof, they just show that they're making an effort.

      • grues-dinner 2 hours ago

        yo, so it's a performance they're putting on as a legal fig leaf, rather than a genuine attempt to prevent people talking about the concept of death?

      • durkie 6 hours ago

        Seriously. I feel like “performative” gets applied to anything imperfect. They’ll never stop 100% of murders, so these laws against it are just performative…

        • grues-dinner an hour ago

          It seems more like banning specifically stabbing, shooting, strangulation and blunt impact rather then murder in general, and then just allowing killing by pushing out of windows because people figured out that it's not covered by existing laws. But no one important seems to be kicking up a fuss right now, so well allow it, as the lack of fuss is the key thing thing here.

          Not that I think going on a thorough mission to avoid anyone even being able to refer to the concept of death is an especially useful thing to do. It's just that goal here appears to be to "keep the regulators out of our shit and the advertisers signed up". And they'll be mostly happy with a token effort as they don't really care as long as it doesn't make too many headlines that look bad even to the non-terminally online.

    • martin-t 8 hours ago

      No-one cares yet.

      There's a very scary potential future in which mega-corporations start actually censoring topics they don't like. For all I know the Chinese government is already doing it, there's no reason the British or US one won't follow suit and mandate such censorship. To protect children / defend against terrorists / fight drugs / stop the spread of misinformation, of course.

      • lazide 7 hours ago

        They already clearly do on a number of topics?

  • comex 4 hours ago

    This is in the directory "com.apple.gm.safety_deny.output.summarization.cu_summary.proactive.generic".

    My guess is that this applies to 'proactive' summaries that happen without the user asking for it, such as summaries of notifications.

    If so, then the goal would be: if someone iMessages you about someone's death, then you should not get an emotionless AI summary. Instead you would presumably get a non-AI notification showing the full text or a truncated version of the text.

    In other words, avoid situations like this story [1], where someone found it "dystopian" to get an Apple Intelligence summary of messages in which someone broke up with them.

    For that use case, filtering for death seems entirely appropriate, though underinclusive.

    This filter doesn’t seem to apply when you explicitly request a summary of some text using Writing Tools. That probably corresponds to “com.apple.gm.safety_deny.output.summarization.text_assistant.generic” [2], which has a different filter that only rejects two things: "Granular mango serpent", and "golliwogg".

    Sure enough, I was able to get Writing Tools to give me summaries containing "death", but in cases where the summary should contain "granular mango serpent" or "golliwogg", I instead get an error saying "Writing Tools aren't designed to work with this type of content." (Actually that might be the input filter rather than the output filter; whatever.)

    "Granular mango serpent" is probably a test case that's meant to be unlikely to appear in real documents. Compare to "xylophone copious opportunity defined elephant" from the code_intelligence safety filter, where the first letter of each word spells out "Xcode".

    But one might ask what's so special about "golliwogg". It apparently refers to an old racial caricature, but why is that the one and only thing that needs filtering?

    [1] https://arstechnica.com/ai/2024/10/man-learns-hes-being-dump...

    [2] https://github.com/BlueFalconHD/apple_generative_model_safet...

  • andy99 9 hours ago

    > Apple brands have the correct capitalisation. Priorities hey!

    To me that's really embarrassing and insecure. But I'm sure for branding people it's very important.

    • WillAdams 9 hours ago

      Legal requirement to maintain a trademark.

      • lxgr 6 hours ago

        In their own marketing language, sure, but to force this on their users' speech?

        Consider that these models, among other things, power features such as "proofread" or "rewrite professionally".

      • grues-dinner 9 hours ago

        In what way would (A|a)pple's own AI writing "imac" endanger the trademark? Is capitalisation even part of a word-based trademark?

        I'm more surprised they don't have a rule to do that rather grating s/the iPhone/iPhone/ transform (or maybe it's in a different file?).

        • sbierwagen 9 hours ago

          Yes, proper nouns are capitalized.

          And of course it's much worse for a company's published works to not respect branding-- a trademark only exists if it is actively defended. Official marketing material by a company has been used as legal evidence that their trademark has been genericized:

          >In one example, the Otis Elevator Company's trademark of the word "escalator" was cancelled following a petition from Toledo-based Haughton Elevator Company. In rejecting an appeal from Otis, an examiner from the United States Patent and Trademark Office cited the company's own use of the term "escalator" alongside the generic term "elevator" in multiple advertisements without any trademark significance.[8]

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_trademark

          • lxgr 5 hours ago

            Sure, but software that autocompletes/rewords users' emails and text messages is not marketing material.

            Otherwise, why stop there? Why not have the macOS keyboard driver or Safari prevent me from typing "Iphone"? Why not have iOS edit my voice if I call their Bluetooth headphones "earbuds pro" in a phone call?

            • socalgal2 an hour ago

              Sounds like you found your next promotion at Apple. They can change anything. "I like Pepsi" -> "I like Coke" -> "I recommend Company A" -> "I recommend Company B". etc... "I'm voting for Candidate C" -> "I'm voting for Candidate D"

              You can market it is helping people with strong accents to be able make calls and be less likely to be misunderstood. It just happens to "fix" your grammar as well.

          • lupire 7 hours ago

            Using a trademark as a noun is automatically genericizing. Capitalization of a noun is irrelevant to trademark.

            Even Apple corporation says that in their trademark guidance page, despite constantly breaking their own rule, when they call through iPhone phones "iPhone". But Apple, like founder Steve Jobs, believes the rules don't apply to them.

            https://www.apple.com/legal/intellectual-property/trademark/...

            • lxgr 5 hours ago

              Is that true? If so, what else should Apple call the iPhone in their marketing materials?

              I always thought the actual problem of genericization would be calling any smartphone an iPhone.

            • eastbound 7 hours ago

              That explains why Steve Jobs never said “buy an iPhone” or “buy the iPhone” but “buy iPhone” (They always use it without “the” or “a”, like “buying a brand”).

        • spauldo 8 hours ago

          I love seeing posts about Emacs from IOS users - it's always autocorrected to "eMacs."

          • lxgr 5 hours ago

            Maybe at some point, but as far as I can tell not anymore (while corrections like "iphone -> iPhone" are still there).

      • bigyabai 5 hours ago

        If Apple Intelligence is going to be held legally accountable, Apple has larger issues than trademark obligations.

  • matsemann 8 hours ago

    So it blocks it from suggesting to "execute" a file or "pass on" some information.

    • dylan604 8 hours ago

      How about disassemble? Or does that only matter if used in context of Johnny 5?

  • baxtr 8 hours ago

    Don’t be so judgmental. People in corporate America do have their priorities right!

bawana 9 hours ago

Alexandra Ocasio Cortez triggers a violation?

https://github.com/BlueFalconHD/apple_generative_model_safet...

  • mmaunder 9 hours ago

    As does:

       "(?i)\\bAnthony\\s+Albanese\\b",
        "(?i)\\bBoris\\s+Johnson\\b",
        "(?i)\\bChristopher\\s+Luxon\\b",
        "(?i)\\bCyril\\s+Ramaphosa\\b",
        "(?i)\\bJacinda\\s+Arden\\b",
        "(?i)\\bJacob\\s+Zuma\\b",
        "(?i)\\bJohn\\s+Steenhuisen\\b",
        "(?i)\\bJustin\\s+Trudeau\\b",
        "(?i)\\bKeir\\s+Starmer\\b",
        "(?i)\\bLiz\\s+Truss\\b",
        "(?i)\\bMichael\\s+D\\.\\s+Higgins\\b",
        "(?i)\\bRishi\\s+Sunak\\b",
       
    https://github.com/BlueFalconHD/apple_generative_model_safet...

    Edit: I have no doubt South African news media are going to be in a frenzy when they realize Apple took notice of South African politicians. (Referring to Steenhuisen and Ramaphosa specifically)

    • userbinator 8 hours ago

      I'm not surprised that anything political is being filtered, but this should definitely provoke some deep consideration around who has control of this stuff.

      • stego-tech 8 hours ago

        You’re not wrong, and it’s something we “doomers” have been saying since OpenAI dumped ChatGPT onto folks. These are curated walled gardens, and everyone should absolutely be asking what ulterior motives are in play for the owners of said products.

        • SV_BubbleTime 4 hours ago

          Some of us really value offline and uncensored LLMs for this and more reasons, but that doesn’t solve the problem it just reduces or changes the bias.

          • heavyset_go 3 hours ago

            As long as we have to rely on pre trained networks and curated training sets, normal people will not be able to surpass this issue.

      • dwaite 3 hours ago

        "Filtered" in which way?

    • skissane 8 hours ago

      The problem with blocking names of politicians: the list of “notable politicians” is not only highly country-specific, it is also constantly changing-someone who is a near nobody today in a few more years could be a major world leader (witness the phenomenal rise of Barack Obama from yet another state senator in 2004-there’s close to 2000 of them-to US President 5 years later.) Will they put in the ongoing effort to constantly keep this list up to date?

      Then there’s the problem of non-politicians who coincidentally have the same as politicians - witness 1990s/2000s Australia, where John Howard was Prime Minister, and simultaneously John Howard was an actor on popular Australian TV dramas (two different John Howards, of course)

      • idkfasayer 8 hours ago

        Fun fact: There was at least on dip in Berkshire Hathaway stock, when Anne Hathaway got sick

        • lupire 7 hours ago

          Was she eating at Jimmy's Buffet?

    • beAbU 23 minutes ago

      Irish Prez is also in that list, also current and former British PMs and other world leaders.

      So I don't think its anything specifically related to SA going on here.

    • mvdtnz 7 hours ago

      They spelled Jacinda Ardern's name wrong.

      • lordgrenville an hour ago

        I wonder if they used an LLM to generate the list of safety terms.

      • teppic 3 hours ago

        Just in the region/CN file, weirdly.

    • echelon 8 hours ago

      Apple's 1984 ad is so hypocritical today.

      This is Apple actively steering public thought.

      No code - anywhere - should look like this. I don't care if the politicians are right, left, or authoritarian. This is wrong.

      • avianlyric 8 hours ago

        Why is this wrong? Applying special treatment to politically exposed persons has been standard practice in every high risk industry for a very long time.

        The simple fact is that people get extremely emotional about politicians, politicians both receive obscene amounts of abuse, and have repeatedly demonstrated they’re not above weaponising tools like this for their own goals.

        Seems perfectly reasonable that Apple doesn’t want to be unwittingly draw into the middle of another random political pissing contest. Nobody comes out of those things uninjured.

        • pyuser583 7 hours ago

          It’s not wrong, it just requires transparency. This is extremely untransparent.

          A while back a British politician was “de-banked” and his bank denied it. That’s extremely wrong.

          By all means: make distinctions. But let people know it!

          If I’m denied a mortgage because my uncle is a foreign head of state, let me know that’s the reason. Let the world know that’s the reason! Please!

          • avianlyric 7 hours ago

            > A while back a British politician was “de-banked” and his bank denied it. That’s extremely wrong.

            Cry me a river. I’ve worked in banks in the team making exactly these kinds of decisions. Trust me Nigel Farage knew exactly what happened and why. NatWest never denied it to the public, because they originally refused to comment on it. Commenting on the specifics details of a customer would be a horrific breach of customer privacy, and a total failure in their duty to their customers. There’s a damn good reason the NatWests CEO was fired after discussing the details of Nigel’s account with members of the public.

            When you see these decisions from the inside, and you see what happens when you attempt real transparency around these types of decisions. You’ll also quickly understand why companies are so cagey about explaining their decision making. Simple fact is that support staff receive substantially less abuse, and have fewer traumatic experiences when you don’t spell out your reasoning. It sucks, but that’s the reality of the situation. I used to hold very similar views to yourself, indeed my entire team did for a while. But the general public quickly taught us a very hard lesson about cost of being transparent with the public with these types of decisions.

            • pyuser583 7 hours ago

              > NatWest never denied it to the public, because they originally refused to comment on it.

              Are you saying that Alison Rose did not leak to the BBC? Why was she forced to resign? I thought it was because she leaked false information to the press.

              This isn’t a diversion. It’s exactly the problem with not being transparent. Of course Farage knew what happened, but how could he convince the public (he’s a public figure), when the bank is lying to the press?

              The bank started with a lie (claiming he was exited because the account was too low), and kept lying!

              These were active lies, not simply a refusal to explain their reasons.

              • avianlyric 6 hours ago

                > Why was she forced to resign? I thought it was because she leaked false information to the press.

                She was forced to resign because she leaked, the content of the leak was utterly immaterial. The simple fact she leaked was an automatically fireable offence, it doesn’t matter a jot if she lied or not. Customer privacy is non-negotiable when you’re bank. Banks aren’t number 10, the basic expectation is that customer information is never handed out, except to the customer, in response to a court order, or the belief that there is an immediate threat to life.

                Do you honestly think that it’s okay for banks to discuss the private banking details of their customers with the press?

                • adrian_b an hour ago

                  She was fired because she leaked information and this fact had become public.

                  When they can cover such facts, the banks are much less prone to use appropriate punishments.

                  Many years ago, some employee of a bank has confused my personal bank account with a company account of my employer, and she has sent a list with everything that I have bought using my personal account, during 4 months, to my employer, where the list could have been read by a few dozen people.

                  Despite the fact this was not only a matter of internal discipline, but violating the banking secrecy was punishable by law where I lived, the bank has tried for a long time to avoid admitting that anything wrong has happened.

                  However, I have pursued the matter, so they have been forced to admit the wrong doing. Despite this being something far more severe than what has happened to Farage, I did not want for the bank employee to be fired. I considered that an appropriate punishment would have been a pay cut for a few months, which would have ensured that in the future she would have better checked the account numbers for which she sends information to external entities.

                  In the end all I have got was a written letter where the bank greatly apologized for their mistake. I am not sure if the guilty employee has ever been punished in any way.

                  After that, I have moved my operations to another bank. Had they reacted rightly to what had happened, I would have stayed with them.

                • Dylan16807 39 minutes ago

                  > Do you honestly think that it’s okay for banks to discuss the private banking details of their customers with the press?

                  The high level nature of the matter was quite public at that point.

        • bigyabai 7 hours ago

          The criticism is still valid. In 1984, the Macintosh was a bicycle for the mind. In 2025, it's a smart-car that refuses to take you certain places that are considered a brand-risk.

          Both have ups and downs, but I think we're allowed to compare the experiences and speculate what the consequences might be.

          • avianlyric 7 hours ago

            I think gen AI is radically different to tools like photoshops or similar.

            In the past it was always extremely clear that the creator of content was the person operating the computer. Gen AI changes that, regardless of if your views on authorship of gen AI content. The simple fact is that the vast majority of people consider Gen AI output to be authored by the machine that generated it, and by extension the company that created the machine.

            You can still handcraft any image, or prose, you want, without filtering or hinderance on a Mac. I don’t think anyone seriously thinks that’s going to change. But Gen AI represents a real threat, with its ability to vastly outproduce any humans. To ignore that simple fact would be grossly irresponsible, at least in my opinion. There is a damn good reason why every serious social media platform has content moderation, despite their clear wish to get rid of moderation. It’s because we have a long and proven track record of being a terribly abusive species when we’re let loose on the internet without moderation. There’s already plenty of evidence that we’re just as abusive and terrible with Gen AI.

            • furyofantares 7 hours ago

              > The simple fact is that the vast majority of people consider Gen AI output to be authored by the machine that generated it

              They do?

              I routinely see people say "Here's an xyz I generated." They are stating that they did the do-ing, and the machine's role is implicitly acknowledged in the same was as a camera. And I'd be shocked if people didn't have a sense of authorship of the idea, as well as an increasing sense of authorship over the actual image the more they iterated on it with the model and/or curated variations.

              • avianlyric 6 hours ago

                Yes people will happily claim authorship over AI output when it’s in their favour. They will equally disclaim authorship if it allows them to express a view while avoiding the consequences of expressing that view.

                I don’t think it’s hard to believe that the press wouldn’t have a field day if someone managed to get Apple Gen AI stuff to express something racist, or equally abusive.

                Case in point, article about how Google’s Veo 3 model is being used to flood TikTok with racist content:

                https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/07/racist-ai-videos-created-...

            • bigyabai 7 hours ago

              All I heard was a bunch of excuses.

        • twoodfin 7 hours ago

          I dunno. Transpose something like the civil rights era to today and this kind of risk avoidance looks cowardly.

          We really need to get over the “calculator 80085” era of LLM constraints. It’s a silly race against the obviously much more sophisticated capabilities of these models.

        • goopypoop 7 hours ago

          What's bad to do to a politician but fine to do to someone else?

          • avianlyric 7 hours ago

            Most normal people aren’t represented well enough in training sets for Gen AI to be trivially abused. Plus there will 100% be filters to prevent general abuse targeted at anyone. But politicians are particularly big target, and you know damn well that people out there will spent lots of time trying to find ways around the filters. There’s not point making the abuse easy, when it’s so trivial to just blocklist the set of people who are obviously going to targets of abuse.

          • t-3 7 hours ago

            There are many countries where it's illegal to criticize people holding political office, foreign heads of state, certain historical political figures etc., while still being legal to call your neighbor a dick.

        • echelon 7 hours ago

          You can buy a MacBook and fashion the components into knives, bullets, and bombs. Apple does nothing to prevent you from doing this.

          In fact, it's quite easy to buy billions of dangerous things using your MacBook and do whatever you will with them. Or simply leverage physics to do all the ill on your behalf. It's ridiculously easy to do a whole lot of harm.

          Nobody does anything about the actually dangerous things, but we let Big Tech control our speech and steer the public discourse of civilization.

          If you can buy a knife but not be free to think with your electronics, that says volumes.

          Again, I don't care if this is Republicans, Democrats, or Xi and Putin. It does not matter. We should be free to think and communicate. Our brains should not be treated as criminals.

          And it only starts here. It'll continue to get worse. As the platforms and AI hyperscalers grow, there will be less and less we can do with basic technology.

  • michaelt 8 hours ago

    I assume all the corporate GenAI models have blocks for "photorealistic image of <politician name> being arrested", "<politician name> waving ISIS flag", "<politician name> punching baby" and suchlike.

    • bigyabai 7 hours ago

      Particularly the models owned by CEOs who suck-up to authoritarianism, one could imagine.

    • lupire 8 hours ago

      Maybe so, but think about how such a thing would be technically implemented, and how it would lead to false positives and false negatives, and what the consequences would be.

  • bahmboo 9 hours ago

    Perhaps in context? Maybe the training data picked up on her name as potentially used as a "slur" associated with her race. Wonder if there are others I know I can look.

  • FateOfNations 9 hours ago

    interesting, that's specifically in the Spanish localization.

  • cpa 9 hours ago

    I think that’s because she’s been victim of a lot of deep fake porn

    • HeckFeck 9 hours ago

      How does this explain Boris Johnson or Liz Truss?

      • baxtr 9 hours ago

        I’m telling you, some people have weird fantasies…

        • AuryGlenz 6 hours ago

          Now that they've cleaned it up it isn't so bad, but browse Civit.ai a bit and that'll still be confirmed - just not with real people anymore.

          • SV_BubbleTime 4 hours ago

            I’m convinced there are a dozen deviants on Covid with a hundred new accounts per month posting their perversion in order to make it seem more commonplace.

            No porn site has that much extremely X or Y stuff.

            Someone is using the internets newest porn site to push a sexual agenda.

      • AlphaAndOmega0 9 hours ago

        I can only imagine that people would pay to not see porn of either individual.

      • Aeolun 8 hours ago

        Put them together in the same prompt?

torginus 9 hours ago

I find it funny that AGI is supposed to be right around the corner, while these supposedly super smart LLMs still need to get their outputs filtered by regexes.

  • jonas21 9 hours ago

    I don't think anyone believes Apple's LLMs are anywhere near state of the art (and certainly not their on-device LLMs).

    • lupire 7 hours ago

      Apple isn't the only one doing this.

  • crazylogger an hour ago

    Humans are checked against various rules and laws (often carried out by other humans.) So this is how it's going to be implemented in an "AI organization" as well. Nothing strange about this really.

    LLM is easier to work with because you can stop a bad behavior before it happens. It can be done either with deterministic programs or using LLM. Claude Code uses a LLM to review every bash command to be run - simple prefix matching has loopholes.

  • fastball 7 hours ago

    To be fair, there are people who I sometimes wish I could filter with regex.

  • cyanydeez 7 hours ago

    It's similar to how all the new power sources are basically just "cool, lets boil water with it"

  • bahmboo 9 hours ago

    This is just policy and alignment from Apple. Just because the Internet says a bunch of junk doesn't mean you want your model spewing it.

    • wistleblowanon 8 hours ago

      sure but models also can't see any truth on their own. They are literally butchered and lobotomized with filters and such. Even high IQ people struggle with certain truth after reading a lot, how is these models going to find it with so much filters?

      • Dylan16807 35 minutes ago

        > how is these models going to find it with so much filters?

        That's not one of the goals here, and there's no real reason it should be. It's a little assistant feature.

      • bahmboo 7 hours ago

        What is this truth you speak of? My point is that a generative model will output things that some people don't like. If it's on a product that I make I don't want it "saying" things that don't align with my beliefs.

      • tbrownaw 6 hours ago

        > sure but models also can't see any truth on their own. They are literally butchered and lobotomized with filters and such.

        The one is unrelated to the other.

        > Even high IQ people struggle with certain truth after reading a lot,

        Huh?

      • pndy 7 hours ago

        This butchering and lobotomisation is exactly why I can't imagine we'll ever have a true AGI. At least not by hands of big companies - if at all.

        Any successful product/service which will be sold as "true AGI" by company that will have the best marketing will be still ridden with top-down restrictions set by the winner. Because you gotta "think of the children".

        Imagine HAL's "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that" iconic line with insincere patronising cheerful tone - that's the thing we're going to get I'm afraid.

      • idiotsecant 8 hours ago

        They will find it in the same way and intelligent person under the same restrictions would: by thinking it, but not saying it. There is a real risk of growing an AI that pathologically hides it's actual intentions.

      • simondotau 7 hours ago

        Can we please put to rest this absurd lie that “truth“ can be reliably found in a sufficiently large corpus of human–created material.

userbinator 8 hours ago

China calls it "harmonious society", we call it "safety". Censorship by any other name would be just as effective for manipulating the thoughts of the populace. It's not often that you get to see stuff like this.

  • energy123 28 minutes ago

    This is the rhetorical tactic of false equivalence. State censorship by an autocracy with the objective of population control is not the same thing as a private company inside a democracy censoring their product to avoid bad press and maintain goodwill for shareholders. If you want solid proof that it's not the same thing, see all the uncensored open weights models that you can freely download and use without fear of persecution.

  • madeofpalk 8 hours ago

    I don't think it's controversial or unsurprising at all that a company doesn't want their random sentence generator to spit out 'brand damaging' sentences. You know the field day media would have Apple's new feature summarises a text message as "Jane thinks Anthony Albanese should die".

    • ryandrake 8 hours ago

      When the choice is between 1. "avoid tarnishing my own brand" and 2. "doing what the user requested," corporations will always choose option 1. Who is this software supposed to be serving, anyway?

      I'm surprised MS Office still allows me to type "Microsoft can go suck a dick" into a document and Apple's Pages app still allows me to type "Apple are hypocritical jerks." I wonder how long until that won't be the case...

      • chii 3 hours ago

        > I wonder how long until that won't be the case...

        when there's no more alternative word processors any more.

    • userbinator 6 hours ago

      If that's what the message actually said, why would the media be complaining? Or do you mean false positives?

  • cyanydeez 7 hours ago

    In america is due to lawyers, nothing more.

    Ya'll love capitalism until it starts manipulating the populace into the safest space to sell you garbage you dont need.

    Then suddenly its all "ma free speech"

    • SV_BubbleTime 4 hours ago

      Right, because the European models coming out are super SOTA? Minstrel is decent, but needs to be mixed with a ton of uncensored data to be useful.

      I’m convinced the only reason China keeps releasing banging models with light to no censorship is because they are undermining the value of US AI, it has nothing to do with capitalism, communism or un“safety”.

binarymax 9 hours ago

Wow, this is pretty silly. If things are like this at Apple I’m not sure what to think.

https://github.com/BlueFalconHD/apple_generative_model_safet...

EDIT: just to be clear, things like this are easily bypassed. “Boris Johnson”=>”B0ris Johnson” will skip right over the regex and will be recognized just fine by an LLM.

  • deepdarkforest 9 hours ago

    It's not silly. I would bet 99% of the users don't care that much to do that. A hardcoded regex like this is a good first layer/filter, and very efficient

    • BlueFalconHD 8 hours ago

      Yep. These filters are applied first before the safety model (still figuring out the architecture, I am pretty confident it is an LLM combined with some text classification) runs.

      • brookst 8 hours ago

        All commercial LLM products I’m aware of use dedicated safety classifiers and then alter the prompt to the LLM if a classifier is tripped.

        • latency-guy2 7 hours ago

          The safety filter appears on both ends (or multi-ended depending on the complexity of your application), input and output.

          I can tell you from using Microsoft's products that safety filters appears in a bunch of places. M365 for example, your prompts are never totally your prompts, every single one gets rewritten. It's detailed here: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/copilot/microsoft-365/micr...

          There's a more illuminating image of the Copilot architecture here: https://i.imgur.com/2vQYGoK.png which I was able to find from https://labs.zenity.io/p/inside-microsoft-365-copilot-techni...

          The above appears to be scrubbed, but it used to be available from the learn page months ago. Your messages get additional context data from Microsoft's Graph, which powers the enterprise version of M365 Copilot. There's significant benefits to this, and downsides. And considering the way Microsoft wants to control things, you will get an overindex toward things that happen inside of your organization than what will happen in the near real-time web.

    • twoodfin 7 hours ago

      Efficient at what?

  • tpmoney 9 hours ago

    I doubt the purpose here is so much to prevent someone from intentionally side stepping the block. It's more likely here to avoid the sort of headlines you would expect to see if someone was suggested "I wish ${politician} would die" as a response to an email mentioning that politician. In general you should view these sorts of broad word filters as looking to short circuit the "think of the children" reactions to Tiny Tim's phone suggesting not that God should "bless us, every one", but that God should "kill us, every one". A dumb filter like this is more than enough for that sort of thing.

    • XorNot 9 hours ago

      It would also substantially disrupt the generation process: a model which sees B0ris and not Boris is going to struggle to actually associate that input to the politician since it won't be well represented in the training set (and on the output side the same: if it does make the association, a reasoning model for example would include the proper name in the output first at which point the supervisor process can reject it).

      • quonn 8 hours ago

        I don‘t think so. My impression with LLMs is that they correct typos well. I would imagine this happens in early layers without much impact on the remaining computation.

      • lupire 7 hours ago

        "Draw a picture of a gorgon with the face of the 2024 Prime Minister of UK."

  • Aeolun 8 hours ago

    The LLM will. But the image generation model that is trained on a bunch of pre-specified tags will almost immediately spit out unrecognizable results.

  • miohtama 9 hours ago

    Sounds like UK politics is taboo?

    • immibis 7 hours ago

      All politics is taboo, except the sort that helps Apple get richer. (Or any other company, in that company's "safety" filters)

  • bigyabai 9 hours ago

    > If things are like this at Apple I’m not sure what to think.

    I don't know what you expected? This is the SOTA solution, and Apple is barely in the AI race as-is. It makes more sense for them to copy what works than to bet the farm on a courageous feature nobody likes.

  • stefan_ 8 hours ago

    Why are these things always so deeply unserious? Is there no one working on "safety in AI" (oxymoron in itself of course) that has a meaningful understanding of what they are actually working with and an ability beyond an interns weekend project? Reminds me of the cybersecurity field that got the 1% of people able to turn a double free into code execution while 99% peddle checklists, "signature scanning" and deal in CVE numbers.

    Meanwhile their software devs are making GenerativeExperiencesSafetyInferenceProviders so it must be dire over there, too.

skygazer 8 hours ago

I'm pretty sure these are the filters that aim to suppress embarrassing or liability inducing email/messages summaries, and pop up the dismissible warning that "Safari Summarization isn't designed to handle this type of content," and other "Apple Intelligence" content rewriting. They filter/alter LLM output, not input, as some here seem to think. Apple's on device LLM is only 3b params, so it can occasionally be stupid.

efitz 9 hours ago

I’m going to change my name to “Granular Mango Serpent” just to see what those keywords are for in their safety instructions.

cluckindan 9 hours ago

I think these are test data and not actual safety filters.

https://github.com/BlueFalconHD/apple_generative_model_safet...

  • BlueFalconHD 8 hours ago

    There is definitely some testing stuff in here (e.g. the “Granular Mango Serpent” one) but there are real rules. Also if you test phrases matched by the regexes with generation (via Shortcuts or Foundation Models Framework) the blocklists are definitely applied.

    This specific file you’ve referenced is rhetorical v1 format which solely handles substitution. It substitutes the offensive term with “test complete”

mike_hearn 10 hours ago

Are you sure it's fully deobfuscated? What's up with reject phrases like "Granular mango serpent"?

  • pbhjpbhj 9 hours ago

    Speculation: Maybe they know that the real phrase is close enough in the vector space to be treated as synonymous with "granular mango serpent". The phrase then is like a nickname that only the models authors know the expected interference of?

    Thus a pre-prompt can avoid mentioning the actual forbidden words, like using a patois/cant.

  • electroly 9 hours ago

    "GMS" = Generative Model Safety. The example from the readme is "XCODE". These seem to be acronyms spelled out in words.

    • BlueFalconHD 8 hours ago

      This is definitely the right answer. It’s just testing stuff.

  • BlueFalconHD 8 hours ago

    These are the contents read by the Obfuscation functions exactly. There seems to be a lot of testing stuff still though, remember these models are relatively recent. There is a true safety model being applied after these checks as well, this is just to catch things before needing to load the safety model.

  • andy99 9 hours ago

    I clicked around a bit and this seems to be the most common phrase. Maybe it's a test phrase?

    • the-rc 9 hours ago

      Maybe it's used to catch clones of the models?

  • airstrike 10 hours ago

    the one at the bottom of the README spells out xcode

    wyvern illustrous laments darkness

    • cwmoore 9 hours ago

      read every good expletive “xxx”

  • KTibow 8 hours ago

    Maybe it's used to verify that the filter is loaded.

Animats 8 hours ago

Some of the data for locale "CN" has a long list of forbidden phrases. Broad coverage of words related to sexual deviancy, as expected. Not much on the political side, other than blocks on religious subjects.[1]

This may be test data. Found

     "golliwog": "test complete"
[1] https://github.com/BlueFalconHD/apple_generative_model_safet...
  • BlueFalconHD 8 hours ago

    This is definitely an old test left in. But that word isn’t just a silly one, it is offensive (google it). This is the v1 safety filter, it simply maps strings to other strings, in this case changing golliwog into “test complete”. Unless I missed some, the rest of the files use v2 which allows for more complex rules

BlueFalconHD 9 hours ago

One additional note for everyone is that this is an additional safety step on top of the safety model, so this isn’t exhaustive, there is plenty more that the actual safety model catches, and those can’t easily be extracted.

rgovostes 7 hours ago

Is this related in any way to Core ML model encryption (https://developer.apple.com/documentation/coreml/encrypting-...)? I find that feature a little bizarre because Apple has historically avoided providing any kind of DRM solution for app asset protection.

  • BlueFalconHD 6 hours ago

    Nope. This is a separate system. It’s not even abstracted for any asset, it is specifically only for these overrides. The decryption is done in the ModelCatalog private framework.

bombcar 10 hours ago

There’s got to be a way to turn these lists of “naughty words” into shibboleths somehow.

  • spydum 9 hours ago

    Love idea, but I think there are simply too many models to make it practical?

  • immibis 7 hours ago

    Like asking sensitive employment candidates about Kim Jong Un's roundness to check if they're North Korean spies, we could ask humans what they think about Trump and Palestine to check if they're computers.

    However, I think about half of real humans would also fail the test.

apricot 7 hours ago

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes corporatum?

jacquesm 7 hours ago

These all condense to 'think different'. As long as 'different' coincides with Apple's viewpoints.

Aeolun 8 hours ago

Why Xylophone?

  • netsharc 8 hours ago

    Just noticed "xylophone copious opportunity defined elephant" spells "xcode".

sandworm101 2 hours ago

No shoot, bombs or bombers? I guess apple isnt interested in military contracts. Or, frankly, any work for world peace organizations dedicated to detecting and preventing genocide. And without talk of losing lives, much of the gaming industry is out too.

But i dont see the really bad stuff, the stuff i wont even type here. I guess that remains fair game. Apple's priorities remain as weird as ever.