Only the 15 inch 2015 model still had the Haswell CPU, therefore your laptop had a slightly newer processor... That [older] generation was left in the bigger model without the yearly upgrade due to the limited supply / production capacity on Intel's side.
>Apple finally reversed these decisions and made the M1 MBP
They didn't. The new keyboard is still not old scissors keyboard with 1.5mm Key travel. If I remember correctly it is 1mm or 1.2mm. And it is still a huge difference for me.
Yeah, I don't think the 12" MacBook was anywhere near the most controversial, because it was always clear that it was a niche product. I had one and loved it. Those who it wasn't right for didn't buy it.
The 2016-2019 Pros on the other hand replaced a machine that was universally loved. there were entire podcasts dedicated to complaining about them for four years.
I had the last non-butterfly MBP, and work tried to get me to move to a new one for years - i fought to keep mine.
Then I switched jobs, got a butterfly MBP and the laptop was honestly one of the worst I've had. After 2 years, I had lost a number of keys (i simply never used the built in keyboard when possible) and the battery started expanding. I couldn't even make it to the normal refresh cycle. Maybe bad luck, but such a POS. Apple phoned it in the generation prior to M1.
> Whoever had the reigns when Apple finally reversed these decisions and made the M1 MBP
They shoulda kept the touchbar and restored the functions keys (including restoring volume controls etc to function keys). That would have been amazing. There was so much opportunity for cool custom functionality with touchbar, but it needs to be dedicated to that, not doing double-duty as physical keys.
I liked it - particularly the volume and brightness controls, and for convenient hotkey access in apps that I didn't use too often to memorize. But it was extremely badly implemented and then basically abandoned. At the very least, it should've never replaced function keys.
The M1 MBAir I think is better than the M1 MBP in terms of sheer utility and price/performance. Until the new $999 Air that launched this week, the M1 Air was the best laptop ever launched, IMO.
Yes, it was. Previously, I had an XPS 13” that was pretty decent, and then an Intel Air, which was even better.
I bought an M1 Air, base model, at launch, and was blown away. For once, a manufacturer wasn’t lying about battery life. What Apple has achieved with their SoC is nothing short of revolutionary. They make the best laptops by any conceivable metric, and it isn’t even close.
It was way ahead of its time. Partly because Intel oversold their CPU. The MacBook 12" is thicker than MBA M4 at its thickest point. But feels much thinner due to its wedge shape.
We have the technology today to make a true MacBook Air that is both much thinner and lighter with same battery life. But it would cost a lot more and today's Apple doesn't seems to be interested in these sort of products. I would imagine Steve Jobs would insist on making it at charge it for $1999.
I am so upset that Apple nixed the wedge Air. I loved my 2013 Air, and much more so, my M1 Air. Once they lost the wedge, and especially when the MBP got a 14” option, I lost interest. 14” is the absolute perfect size for a laptop, IMO.
I was thinking of buying myself a 14” but after using one it is just too heavy compared to an Air. I’m tempted by an M4 Air (mostly for the 32GB) but may wait a couple of years until we get OLED as my M1 Air is still adequate for my needs.
I'm the opposite, my M-series Air is so much better in every way than the MacBook 12" that I'm kind of peeved just thinking about it.
The 12 MB had 3 major flaws which were just too much to deal with on a daily basis:
- It was shockingly slow, even for its time. Apple Watch Series 0 slow.
- That keyboard — which I didn't mind the feel of — kept failing.
- 1 USB C port meant I always had to pick charging or plugging something in, and the problem became a lot worse as the battery health declined. The fancy terraced battery design meant it was also pricey to replace.
I do think a 12" MBA would be great, but Apple has forgotten how to design good software for small screens.
Am I old or is this not even close to the most controversial Apple laptop? I feel like the white plastic Intel MacBooks and the original TiBooks were both more controversial.
Purely anecdotal: I worked at an Apple VAR when the TiBook was released, but I honestly can't remember any real controversy. They were a big hit. Quite easy to repair too.
I wasn't there for the plastic Intel MacBooks, but the biggest complaint I remember hearing about was that the black one collected fingerprints like crazy and, later on, some overheating issues. They were also a pain to repair, though not as bad as the iBooks before them.
At least RAM and hard drive were very easy to replace, which I appreciated. I don't think I ever needed to actually open my MacBook back then. But I do remember repairing white iBooks, which was a pain indeed.
The touchbar models didn't go down too well either, even after software had some time to catch up with the hardware it was still so unpopular that Apple gave up and completely walked it back.
There was quite a kerfuffle over these machines, as they were retina (at the time, this means expensive), woefully underpowered, and basically required a dongle (also new then) as they had a single usbc port for all charging and IO. Also the butterfly keyboards failed if you looked at them wrong.
Despite all that, I loved these machines, but many people found them to be just a bit too Apple.
I loved the rose gold color. This model effectively replaced 11 inch Macbook Air, which was a lot more popular, if comments on HN are to be believed. Netbook sized laptops still had a niche back then, but 12 inches is moving out of netbook territory.
I had a 2015 M5, it was easily one of the best Macs I've owned. Ultra-ultra-ultra portable, I had great battery life with mine, and it was as fast as my 2013 Macbook Pro. I used it as my daily driver for 3 years before I got a new job (and a new work-issued laptop). Paired with a monitor that provided USB-C power (there were a few at the time, I got one of the Philips displays) it got me through several sizeable web dev projects. It's only just been retired, as the battery finally made it unusable, and now its logic board (and 2 others: my wife's 2015 Macbook and a lucky score on eBay) are part of a 3-machine cluster with Ubuntu installed, because why not... each one just has a USB-c power/ethernet dongle plugged into it, and I've got a little compute cluster that punches way above its weight for the amount of space it takes up (and the power it consumes, which is very little, especially with the display removed).
If you could buy SBCs based on the m5, I'd eat them up.
I bought one of the refreshed ones in 2016 as a sort of "I want something like an iPad but I just can't tolerate not having a real keyboard and OS" thing and was super pleased with it.
The size was really so good—great on a plane, so light I never thought about it in my bag. I took it all over for years. Wrote a little iTunes library export tool in the back seat of a minivan on the drive from NYC to Maine right after I got it^. It's nice to have an actual laptop when traveling rather than just a phone or tablet, but even a little bit bigger and heavier can be annoying. My wife still uses it for web browsing and has only just recently started to mention it being unusably slow (it was never fast, but it was passable). I have an M1 Air now but would absolutely prefer something a bit smaller.
The 12” MacBook had a great size and form factor with a niche that remains unfilled by the Air, as good as it might be. It also looked great, but then again I’m a sucker for machines where the keyboard goes from edge to edge (PowerBook G4 12” is great for the same reason).
If they were to attempt a modern re-do, I think it’d be smart to go hard on the hyperportable angle and pare down the hardware a bit to accomodate that. With how powerful Apple Silicon is these days, you wouldn’t need a full fat M-series SoC for a good macOS experience… a passively cooled A-series like those used in iPhones could do the job about as well. Heck you could probably even downclock the SoC a bit for better thermals and still have about as much power as much of the thin and light competition yet have ridiculously better battery life.
I hated that so much. I don't want the device I'm using drawing attention to the brand. And unfortunately there was no way to disable it because it was illuminated by the display's backlight.
You could get metallic stickers to block the light from the old style. Unfortunately, no one I know of makes an illuminated sticker in the classic logo colors, to replicate the effect I used to enjoy with a simple vinyl overlay.
I collect these (yes, this specific model) and have parts to build and repair 4-5 of them.
MacBook8,1 and MacBook9,1 as they are known.
Great little passively cooled machines, only real issue is the underpowered CPU (a legitimate trade-off for size/weight/silent) and of course the butterfly keyboard that is prone to failure.
Fingers crossed they make an Apple Silicon mac in this size one day.
Drop me an email if you are also an aficionado. My email’s in my profile.
I have to use mac at work because one of the company officers loves apple products. As a developer, I hate it. As a power user, I hate it. Hate is a strong word but when you look at a keyboard after using Mainframe keyboards, HP-UX, AIX, Windows, Linux and now look at a mac and there's no Backspace key.
Control sometimes acts like Control and other times acts like an alien interpreting what it thinks I want to do.
The touchpad has exactly one freaking #$#%@#%$ button!?!!?
The keyboard has a backspace button. Do you seriously think all the millions of people who use a Mac just have no way of correcting typos??
The touchpad can do click, right click, middle click, a four fingered click, and more. I have 5 different tap\click actions mapped on mine with BetterTouchTool.
Hoary old Unix monsters like me have used this platform happily and productively since before it was born. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to get on our level.
I don't think it was controversial so much as they went out of their way to make it suck as much as possible.
The base model m3 processor was grossly underpowered. They threw money at a retina screen but didn't drive it with any graphics support. And then they charged users a premium to be their guinea pigs with the experimental and deeply awful butterfly keyboard.
In the past ten years, Apple has done a lot of things that are indistinguishable from negligently or maliciously flooding the ultraportable market with pure shit. Honestly, someone should file a shareholder derivative lawsuit for how bad they repeatedly, intentionally fuck up small form factor devices.
The bigger controversy was the MacBook Pro launched a few months later:
- Ditching MagSafe
- Touch Bar (at first without a dedicated escape key)
- Butterfly Keyboard
- Uncomfortably hot to the touch
- Full-sized left and right arrow keys which made it harder to find without looking
- Only USB-C ports
Whoever had the reigns when Apple finally reversed these decisions and made the M1 MBP -- this is the best laptop I've ever owned.
Yeah I agree. The 2016 MBP officially started the Mac Dark Ages which lasted until the M1 was released.
The 2015 and 2014 models weren't that great either since they were using old 4th gen Haswell Intel CPUs which ran super hot.
My 13” 2015 rmbp is my favorite notebook of all time. My dad uses it now.
I didn’t find it to run that hot and generally found it to be the best windows laptop (via vm) money could buy at the time.
I had a 2015 15'' MBP and it ran so hot I simply couldn't use it on my lap. Fans became super noisy even with trivial processes. Ended up selling it.
The rest of the computer was great though (display, keyboard, trackpad, ssd).
Only the 15 inch 2015 model still had the Haswell CPU, therefore your laptop had a slightly newer processor... That [older] generation was left in the bigger model without the yearly upgrade due to the limited supply / production capacity on Intel's side.
Ah, I lucked out then!
When they came out with the 16" in 2019 it solved most of the issues (no more touch bar, good keyboard, etc)
...and I excitedly bought one. And then a year later the M1 came out, and I was kicking myself
Are you sure about that? I'm pretty sure the 16" models from 2019 also had a touch bar, although as you said the keyboard was much better.
>Apple finally reversed these decisions and made the M1 MBP
They didn't. The new keyboard is still not old scissors keyboard with 1.5mm Key travel. If I remember correctly it is 1mm or 1.2mm. And it is still a huge difference for me.
Yeah, the keyboard never went back to be as good as it was before.
Yeah, I don't think the 12" MacBook was anywhere near the most controversial, because it was always clear that it was a niche product. I had one and loved it. Those who it wasn't right for didn't buy it.
The 2016-2019 Pros on the other hand replaced a machine that was universally loved. there were entire podcasts dedicated to complaining about them for four years.
I had the last non-butterfly MBP, and work tried to get me to move to a new one for years - i fought to keep mine.
Then I switched jobs, got a butterfly MBP and the laptop was honestly one of the worst I've had. After 2 years, I had lost a number of keys (i simply never used the built in keyboard when possible) and the battery started expanding. I couldn't even make it to the normal refresh cycle. Maybe bad luck, but such a POS. Apple phoned it in the generation prior to M1.
> Whoever had the reigns when Apple finally reversed these decisions and made the M1 MBP
They shoulda kept the touchbar and restored the functions keys (including restoring volume controls etc to function keys). That would have been amazing. There was so much opportunity for cool custom functionality with touchbar, but it needs to be dedicated to that, not doing double-duty as physical keys.
Yeah, I thought the article would be about the touchbar macs. Although if most people hate it, it's not controversial right?
> Touch Bar
… shivers
I liked it - particularly the volume and brightness controls, and for convenient hotkey access in apps that I didn't use too often to memorize. But it was extremely badly implemented and then basically abandoned. At the very least, it should've never replaced function keys.
The M1 MBAir I think is better than the M1 MBP in terms of sheer utility and price/performance. Until the new $999 Air that launched this week, the M1 Air was the best laptop ever launched, IMO.
Yes, it was. Previously, I had an XPS 13” that was pretty decent, and then an Intel Air, which was even better.
I bought an M1 Air, base model, at launch, and was blown away. For once, a manufacturer wasn’t lying about battery life. What Apple has achieved with their SoC is nothing short of revolutionary. They make the best laptops by any conceivable metric, and it isn’t even close.
It was way ahead of its time. Partly because Intel oversold their CPU. The MacBook 12" is thicker than MBA M4 at its thickest point. But feels much thinner due to its wedge shape.
We have the technology today to make a true MacBook Air that is both much thinner and lighter with same battery life. But it would cost a lot more and today's Apple doesn't seems to be interested in these sort of products. I would imagine Steve Jobs would insist on making it at charge it for $1999.
Any thinner and it would probably be impossible to achieve mechanical rigidity minimums for a consumer product...
I am so upset that Apple nixed the wedge Air. I loved my 2013 Air, and much more so, my M1 Air. Once they lost the wedge, and especially when the MBP got a 14” option, I lost interest. 14” is the absolute perfect size for a laptop, IMO.
I was thinking of buying myself a 14” but after using one it is just too heavy compared to an Air. I’m tempted by an M4 Air (mostly for the 32GB) but may wait a couple of years until we get OLED as my M1 Air is still adequate for my needs.
I'm the opposite, my M-series Air is so much better in every way than the MacBook 12" that I'm kind of peeved just thinking about it.
The 12 MB had 3 major flaws which were just too much to deal with on a daily basis:
- It was shockingly slow, even for its time. Apple Watch Series 0 slow.
- That keyboard — which I didn't mind the feel of — kept failing.
- 1 USB C port meant I always had to pick charging or plugging something in, and the problem became a lot worse as the battery health declined. The fancy terraced battery design meant it was also pricey to replace.
I do think a 12" MBA would be great, but Apple has forgotten how to design good software for small screens.
I think we’re agreeing; I said I loved my M1 Air even more than my 2013 Intel Air. The M1 still had the wedge, they lost it with the M2.
Nowadays Apple would rather try to convince you the 11" M4 iPad Pro means you don't need a MacBook for that.
>I would imagine Steve Jobs would insist on making it at charge it for $1999.
He is still directing from the grave is he?
man did you read that wrong. was it intentional to make a point that is lame at best?
Am I old or is this not even close to the most controversial Apple laptop? I feel like the white plastic Intel MacBooks and the original TiBooks were both more controversial.
Purely anecdotal: I worked at an Apple VAR when the TiBook was released, but I honestly can't remember any real controversy. They were a big hit. Quite easy to repair too.
I wasn't there for the plastic Intel MacBooks, but the biggest complaint I remember hearing about was that the black one collected fingerprints like crazy and, later on, some overheating issues. They were also a pain to repair, though not as bad as the iBooks before them.
> They were also a pain to repair
At least RAM and hard drive were very easy to replace, which I appreciated. I don't think I ever needed to actually open my MacBook back then. But I do remember repairing white iBooks, which was a pain indeed.
The touchbar models didn't go down too well either, even after software had some time to catch up with the hardware it was still so unpopular that Apple gave up and completely walked it back.
There was quite a kerfuffle over these machines, as they were retina (at the time, this means expensive), woefully underpowered, and basically required a dongle (also new then) as they had a single usbc port for all charging and IO. Also the butterfly keyboards failed if you looked at them wrong.
Despite all that, I loved these machines, but many people found them to be just a bit too Apple.
I loved the rose gold color. This model effectively replaced 11 inch Macbook Air, which was a lot more popular, if comments on HN are to be believed. Netbook sized laptops still had a niche back then, but 12 inches is moving out of netbook territory.
I had a 2015 M5, it was easily one of the best Macs I've owned. Ultra-ultra-ultra portable, I had great battery life with mine, and it was as fast as my 2013 Macbook Pro. I used it as my daily driver for 3 years before I got a new job (and a new work-issued laptop). Paired with a monitor that provided USB-C power (there were a few at the time, I got one of the Philips displays) it got me through several sizeable web dev projects. It's only just been retired, as the battery finally made it unusable, and now its logic board (and 2 others: my wife's 2015 Macbook and a lucky score on eBay) are part of a 3-machine cluster with Ubuntu installed, because why not... each one just has a USB-c power/ethernet dongle plugged into it, and I've got a little compute cluster that punches way above its weight for the amount of space it takes up (and the power it consumes, which is very little, especially with the display removed).
If you could buy SBCs based on the m5, I'd eat them up.
I really want an Apple Silicon version of this.
Want a mac with just one USB C port and the butterfly keyboard that would fail after a year?
No, “an Apple Silicon version of this”.
A very very low power Apple Silicon version of this that has a non-butterfly keyboard would slay.
The size and weight of this form factor is imo ideal for a daily carry portable computer. It’s an iPad with a keyboard, that runs a real OS.
+1, I'd actually buy that as an addition to my regular MBP.
What about the air? Its only an inch bigger.
I bought one of the refreshed ones in 2016 as a sort of "I want something like an iPad but I just can't tolerate not having a real keyboard and OS" thing and was super pleased with it.
The size was really so good—great on a plane, so light I never thought about it in my bag. I took it all over for years. Wrote a little iTunes library export tool in the back seat of a minivan on the drive from NYC to Maine right after I got it^. It's nice to have an actual laptop when traveling rather than just a phone or tablet, but even a little bit bigger and heavier can be annoying. My wife still uses it for web browsing and has only just recently started to mention it being unusably slow (it was never fast, but it was passable). I have an M1 Air now but would absolutely prefer something a bit smaller.
^ https://github.com/drien/itunes-to-sql
The 12” MacBook had a great size and form factor with a niche that remains unfilled by the Air, as good as it might be. It also looked great, but then again I’m a sucker for machines where the keyboard goes from edge to edge (PowerBook G4 12” is great for the same reason).
If they were to attempt a modern re-do, I think it’d be smart to go hard on the hyperportable angle and pare down the hardware a bit to accomodate that. With how powerful Apple Silicon is these days, you wouldn’t need a full fat M-series SoC for a good macOS experience… a passively cooled A-series like those used in iPhones could do the job about as well. Heck you could probably even downclock the SoC a bit for better thermals and still have about as much power as much of the thin and light competition yet have ridiculously better battery life.
I regret the loss of the illuminated logo.
I hated that so much. I don't want the device I'm using drawing attention to the brand. And unfortunately there was no way to disable it because it was illuminated by the display's backlight.
You could get metallic stickers to block the light from the old style. Unfortunately, no one I know of makes an illuminated sticker in the classic logo colors, to replicate the effect I used to enjoy with a simple vinyl overlay.
I still get angry thinking about that butterfly keyboard.
I just got a Macbook Pro and it is absolutely an amazing machine. The butterfly key board, touch bar, and no mag safe kept me away. Glad to be back
I collect these (yes, this specific model) and have parts to build and repair 4-5 of them.
MacBook8,1 and MacBook9,1 as they are known.
Great little passively cooled machines, only real issue is the underpowered CPU (a legitimate trade-off for size/weight/silent) and of course the butterfly keyboard that is prone to failure.
Fingers crossed they make an Apple Silicon mac in this size one day.
Drop me an email if you are also an aficionado. My email’s in my profile.
If you happen to have a latest-gen MacBook9,1 with i7 and 16GB RAM for sale, I'd be very interested.
I have the motherboard (i7/16/512) and top and bottom case and a new battery, if you want to assemble one (or pay me to do so). Shoot me an email.
I still have mine and it still works great. It is slow, but for light productivity work it is still a good machine.
Imagine if they re-released this with the chip and screen of an M4 iPad Pro.
Was it controversial? It just seemed like a bad product.
I have to use mac at work because one of the company officers loves apple products. As a developer, I hate it. As a power user, I hate it. Hate is a strong word but when you look at a keyboard after using Mainframe keyboards, HP-UX, AIX, Windows, Linux and now look at a mac and there's no Backspace key.
Control sometimes acts like Control and other times acts like an alien interpreting what it thinks I want to do.
The touchpad has exactly one freaking #$#%@#%$ button!?!!?
The keyboard has a backspace button. Do you seriously think all the millions of people who use a Mac just have no way of correcting typos??
The touchpad can do click, right click, middle click, a four fingered click, and more. I have 5 different tap\click actions mapped on mine with BetterTouchTool.
Hoary old Unix monsters like me have used this platform happily and productively since before it was born. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to get on our level.
I don’t think Mac touchpads have had any buttons for years.
I don't think it was controversial so much as they went out of their way to make it suck as much as possible.
The base model m3 processor was grossly underpowered. They threw money at a retina screen but didn't drive it with any graphics support. And then they charged users a premium to be their guinea pigs with the experimental and deeply awful butterfly keyboard.
In the past ten years, Apple has done a lot of things that are indistinguishable from negligently or maliciously flooding the ultraportable market with pure shit. Honestly, someone should file a shareholder derivative lawsuit for how bad they repeatedly, intentionally fuck up small form factor devices.